Frequently
Asked Questions
/ Finances
and Purchasing the Gypsy Vanner or Drum Horse
Stages
of Growth in Vanners and Drum Horses
What
we look for in our stock
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Current
Horses for Sale by Breed / By
Sire
Gypsy
Vanners. ( depending on what
registry a breeder or owner has chosen, are
also known as Gypsy Cobs, or just plain, Gypsy
Horses. And we must stress, there is no such
thing as a "Gypsy Drum", and a Drum
Horse is NOT a large Gypsy Horse) The Gypsy
Vanner was bred to pull the colorful Gypsy's
Caravans. (hence the term "Vanner",
slang for Caravan) In some areas, a Gypsy's
wealth was determined by the quality of horses
they had, and these horses actually took the
form of currency! There are several registries
for the "Gypsy Horse". Although our foundation stock are registered with multiple registries, we chose the
Gypsy Vanner Horse Society as they are the largest
and hold monthly regional/national shows. Visit The Gypsy Vanner
Horse Society for more information.
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Horse:
OMF's
Lasting Impression
Breed:
Gypsy Vanner,
Registered
Date
of Birth: June
16 , 2007
Height:
Should Mature around 15-15.1 hands
Gender:
Gelding
Color:
Blue Blagdon
/ Max Sabino
Sire:
Cobalt
(By Bob the Blagdon out of the Blue Blagdon
Mare, now deceased)
Dam:
Bonny
(By Tom)
Training:
Leads, ties, loads, stands for farrier
and to be clipped.
Lineage
Credits:
Desirable, Max Sabino*. Sire, Cobalt is
a multiple Champion Vanner Stallion (out
of The Blue Blagdon mare and Bob the Blagdon.)
Dam, Bonny (by Tom Tom) produced two top
selling offspring and the two time futurity reserve
champion Vanner filly.
*
Max Sabino, or Max White horses are being
intentionally bred in the Uk. the color
description that they use is "Colored
Alive". These horses are not only
bringing big $, but are much sought after!
See
this horse in person: At Old Mill Farm or at any given Gypsy Vanner Society show.
Price:
$15,000.00
Looking
for a matched pair of driving horses?
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to partner with our Icon!
*Update* Icon, at The Feathered Horse Classic in Perry, Georgia, October 10-13, 2008, took 1st place in Open Showmanship ( roughly 16 in the class) with his Youth handler and 1st in Youth Halter. A huge Thank You to Tyler LeVan of Hidden Valley Farm who showed Icon and did so well.
See
more of Icon
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Dobbin
15.1 hand Traditional, ride & drive, Gypsy Vanner Gelding. Solid on trail and ring work. Drives single. Has been shown in Open, 4-H and Vanner shows. Nice prospect for a young/novice to advanced rider.
Dobbin, at the Perry Georgia Gypsy Show Oct 10-12, 2008, took Championship Gelding in halter and placed in the top of his performance classes with his Junior riders, Tyler Levan and Taylor LeVan of Hidden Valley Farm. This was Dobbin's first time being shown Western Pleasure. (Dobbin has also won 2 4-H divisions)
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Boromir
Ride and Drive gelding.
14.1 hands. Has been shown, trailrides and drive both single and double.
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Drum
Horses. Drum
Horses were developed in England to carry drums
in the Queen's processions and parades. They
were bred to be colorful, calm and have substance.
In America you can breed a Shire or a Clyde
to a Gypsy Horse to produce a Drum Horse. (Or
of course breed a Drum Horse to a Drum Horse)
Old Mill Farm's Drum Horse lines are Drum Horses
brought over from England that were bred to
"be" Drum Horses. They of course fit
the Drum Horse standard of America's registries.
Vist The
American Drum Horse Association for more
information.
Horse: OMF's
Blue Thistle
Breed:
Drum Horse,
Registered
Date
of Birth:
April, 2005
Height:
Currently 15.2
Gender:
Mare
Color:
Grey and
White Tobiano
Sire:
Chew
Mill Guinness
Dam:
Blue
Bell
Training:
Leads, loads and trailers, ties, stand
for the farrier, lunges, trained on
the hot walker. Started lightly under
saddle in Feb 2008.
Credits:
Lineage on Dam's side can be traced
to the Queen of England. Sire, Guinness
was the first Drum Horse in the country.
See
this horse in person: At
Old Mill Farm!
Lineage
Price:
$8,000.00
See
More of Thistle
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Friesian
Zephinia
fan Old Mill ("Zima"
for short)
2007
Friesian filly, Out of Aahnya
by Teade 392
$14,000.00
See
more of Zima
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Vanner
/ Thoroughbred Crosses. Sport Horses
-If
you like the temperament and bone of the Vanner,
but want a more economical choice, a Vanner
cross may be the next best thing. We do not
make it a habit to crossbreed and do not have
crosses available on a regular basis.
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"Doin'
It In Style"
This
colt was not bred by Old Mill Farm.
His dam, Vanner mare, Bella, was
purchased in foal to
the Thoroughbred stallion, "Alaskan
Star". Born 8am, April 22,
2007.
Bella
is a Gypsy Vanner out of an imported
Vanner mare, Nancy, owned by Finnegan's
Fields of WI.
His
dam, a Gypsy
Vanner, is a large athletic
mare, and makes great use of her
knees and hocks and has natural
balance in every gait, so we expect
that this foal will not only have
nice size but be a gifted performance
horse as well. Although he will
not have the feather that a full
blooded Gypsy would have, we expect
him to have the temperament and
good bone, so he would make an excellent
Sport Horse or Dressage prospect!
Style
leads, loads, trailers and ties.
Very sweet boy!
SOLD
Please
contact if interested.
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*Prices and availability
are subject to change without notice.
OMF Expectant 2008 Foals
If
you would like to receive an email when
a specific foal is born, please email
us to be placed on our foal watch list!
Click on photo to see horse's page and
more photos. (Hold your
cursor over the horse's picture on this
page for name and info) If the horse is
listed for sale, it will be AFTER birth,
unless noted below.
by
out of Darby
. * May 10, 2008. Darby had a Black and White Tobiano filly. We have decided to keep this gal as she is a granddaughter to Slainte and daughter to Cobalt. If she proves to be breeding worthy, she will be matched with Tonka down the road! She will be added to our mares' page in the near furture.
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All
Gypsy Horses, Drum
Horses and other Sales Horses are up to
date on all vaccinations, and are on a bi-monthly
worming and 6-8 week farrier schedule. Gypsy
Horses and Drum Horses sold as geldings will
be gelded at no charge prior to the horse leaving
the farm. Horses over two years of age typically
are started, long lining and may be working
under saddle. (A majority of the Gypsy Horses
and Drum Horses are not working under saddle
until three years of age) Most of our older
stock have also been shown either in hand or
under saddle. Horses are guaranteed to be in
good health and injury free at the time of sale.
View
our Sold Horses
There
is a great selection of horses here in the states.
Domestic horses typically have better care,
are in better condition and are easier to view.
If you look around, you most likely will find
the Gypsy Horse or Drum Horse of your dreams
in your back yard! We strongly suggest buyers
avoid purchasing via pictures alone. It is very
easy to manipulate a horse's conformation in
photos simply be taking the photo at various
angles.
A
note on purchasing horses overseas:
Gypsy
Horses in the UK are often bred for trade sales.
If you come across an inexpensive import horse
that sounds too good to be true, it probably
is. It is best to research your seller and spend
a little more money for a quality horse. Beware
of low priced package deals and "perfect"
horses.
If
at all possible, be involved in the import details.
Ensure that the horse you paid for is actually
going to ship. Always get all deals in writing
and have a physical address and contact number
for the seller. Know your rights if the deal
goes south.
If getting a vet check on a horse, and we strongly
suggest a pre-purchase exam, get the vet check
in writing, prior to any money exchanging hands.
(Of course you would be responsible to pay for
the vet check!) Contact the vet in person if
possible to speak to him regarding his health
examination. If the horse is at riding age,
request x-rays be done on all four legs. If
you are purchasing breeding stock, get a full
breeding soundness exam in writing. Request
the horse's breeding history as well.
Prior
to the vet exam, request the vet check the horse's
legs under the feather for rolls of skin, sores
or lumps. Also ask him to check the horse's
dental and bite alignment, very often over looked.
Before
purchasing a Gypsy Horse or a Drum Horse, Domestic
or abroad, be sure it can be registered, if
it is not already. Contact a Gypsy Horse (or
Drum Horse registry) to make sure the horse
will qualify. We have chosen to register with
the American Drum Horse Association and The
Gypsy Vanner Horse Society. Our foundation horses
are also registered with the GCDHA.
If
color is important to you and you are purchasing
a Homozygous horse, be sure to get a copy of
the DNA Marker test results, as well as from
the sire and dam. Tests are most accurate when
markers are available from sire and dam as well
as the horse in question. No test is 100% and
even homozygous horses will on occasion produce
a solid, also known as a slipped Tobiano. Judge
the horse by conformation, disposition, suitability
for use and then color!
A
note on Chronic Progressive Lymphadema (aka,
CPL): First thing to mention, there
is not a lot known about this condition. Some
believe it is an immunodeficiency disease/disorder,
some believe it is a major case of scratches
that have been improperly cared for or neglected
all together. Upon speaking with both Irish
and English breeders as well as consulting with
our Equine Vet, because these horses have so
much hair, and a majority of it is incredibly
dense, a good portion of the breed with "a
lot" of hair will develop a skin condition
eventually. What is not normal? Grape size sores
that are open and do not heal, and have a bad
odor to them. Most horses with this condition
have large skin rolls that have hardened. This
may occur because the elasticity the skin normally
has, is lost and/or because of scar tissue forming.
The skin rolls, however may be present with
several other skin conditions. It is our opinion,
that if someone is looking at a horse with this
condition, it should be avoided, due to the
additional care and expense that would go into
treating the horse to keep it comfortable and
free of breakouts. However, there is NO evidence
that this condition is hereditary, genetic or
lethal. Of course we suggest that you contact
your vet to learn more.
Lineage:
Most of the imported horses, openly, come with
no known pedigree due to the lack of importance
the "gypsy people" place on "naming"
their horses and partly do to the lack of education
that they receive. However, many of the horses
coming over are being sold with known lineage.
If a breeder is claiming known lineage on a
horse that goes several generations back, be
cautious, it could be a sales tactic. Unless
you have DNA proof...you don't know who the
sire and dam are.
In some instances, the breeder or seller may
be honest, and may even have those horses on
his farm, if that is the case, ask for hair
samples so that it may be submitted to your
chosen USA registry to prove your horse's lineage.
Currently, at least two of the US registries
are noted on a horse's papers if the DNA is
on file, if you claim a horse's lineage. So
even if your horse comes with lineage information,
if it is not proven via DNA testing, it is not
officially recognized by some of the US registries.
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to expect when purchasing a Drum Horse or a
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